Do you like the westernization of anime?

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In the last few years the animation techniques changed 3d and 2d have been intergrated.
Cartoons now take things from anime and there techniques and implant them into there own designs.
Hollywood actors are being signed up as voice actors(samuel L.jackson in afro samurai).

The border has been blurred between "cartoons" and "anime".

Do you like the directions both types of animations are taking or should they remain seperate?
 
I wouldn't mind if they blended somewhat, As long as they stand distinct in the way stories are told. Hmm... Strangely enough, I wouldn't mind, But I rather it not. I wouldn't say just because Japan is using CG on some anime, It makes it more American, it doesn't. Thats like saying watching something in Die Hard in HD makes it Japanese.

The whole 'Fro Samurai thing is quite something, I'm not sure what, I'm pretty sure its something. I don't really care for it, Nor does the majority. But still, Just because American's dubbed it before Japan doesn't really add much. Its still anime, But it tries so damn hard to be anime at the same time to show off the "sheekness" of what can be.

A lot of anime designs and similar are originally styled from American comics (Akira springs to mind). So.. technically the western world would be taking back a 'reformed' design of something I guess. Nickelodeon's Avatar show also comes to mind when talking about the culture and the animation techniques that have been proven very popular in Japan and gradually becoming more popular in the rest of the world and showing that something like anime could be popular if it was more widely available.

Umm... Yeah. Japanese animation should differ from Western Cartoons. The latter could do with improving a few notches and taking tips from anime though. Continuing arcs (NOT JUST LIVE ACTION), Developing characters and more progressive humor; Not just swearing and fart jokes. Et cetera.
 
Well i always like'd western cartoons becuase unlike anime it doesn't try to get itself to wrapped up into many plot lines it doesn't take itself to seriously.(well some of them)
Dexters lab was always funny that went from slapstick humour to cultural refrences like japanesse's and giant robots.
Also what is a cartoon we usually think of childish saturday morning stuff but i've seen some pretty funny ones that don't make to many fart jokes.

I've noticed in a lot of intros/ending lately they move away from the cutesy or the j-pop/rock for westernised rap and hip hop(i think rap and hip hop are mainly western correct me if i'm wrong).
Or indy ergo proxy ending had a radiohead song in it's ending.
 
If more recognisable actors from the west are voicing anime, I think that just shows the awareness that anime has over our side of the planet. Patrick Stewart (Star Trek's Jean Luke Pricard and Hollywood actor), has voiced in Studio Ghibli films, so many fans would recognise his voice. Isn't that the result of "Westernization?"

Now, things that are anime influenced (possibly Ben 10, Avatar and Teen Titans) I dont mind, but it's not a huge favourite of mine. Sometimes it feels like they're just stealing the "emotions" of some anime stuff; Sweatdrop for unease, blood vein for anger etc.
But if the story's ok, then I don't mind too much.
 
I find it depends on the series, some cartoons try to be Anime, and they fall flat on their face, I accidentally discovered Oban Star Racers on ITV2 one morning and I think it's ace, although from what I understand it's been made by an array of different nations from around the globe, and Japan is one of them (I think Yoko Kanno does the music too). I recently started watching a series on ITV2 called Skyland, it's similar to Skies Of Arcadia (DC game) in style and uses cell-shaded 3D animation. It looks like it's trying to mimic Anime, and at the moment I'm undecided if it's good or not, I enjoy it, looks nice, it has plot progression, but something about it doesn't gel.

I don't know how to address the whole CG thing, looking at it objectively it is an animation technique for anyone to use, and Anime can be evolving to incorporate it. Personally though, I feel it's not quite right, off the top of my head Karas is the only Anime to use CG well, Gonzo use it quite a lot in their work these days, but I feel most of the time it's only being used because it's there and it often doesn't turn out well.

I started watching Anime a good 10 years ago, when Akira was the top dog, and I still prefer most of the older Anime (admittedly mostly OAV's and films) like Dominion, Patlabor 1&2, 3x3 Eyes, Gunsmith Cats, Tenchi, Macross. These days I feel there's a definite shift overall, and while I still enjoy a lot of recent releases (FMA, Genshiken, Naruto to name few), I still go back to watch the older titles as I feel they're a better package overall, Anime these days is becoming too complex and too full of itself.

I prefer them to be different, evolution between the two is good, but I like to have the choice, the old X-Men cartoon was very western and ace, the new Anime-esque one was poor.

I could go on about this subject all day, as it's something that's been bugging me for a while, so I'll leave it as I prefer the difference and choice.
 
I think the fact that they come from completely different cultures is enough for me to say I don't like "Westernisation".

I like diversity. It's interesting to see them mix every now and again, but in the grand scheme of things, I don't like westernisation.
 
XnickX said:
The border has been blurred between "cartoons" and "anime".

But then, that border was always just a pencil line scrawled in by people who didn't know all that much about the world's animation.

Animators have been taking influence from foreign cartoons for decades. Why's there suddenly so much fuss about stuff like Teen Titans doing it?
 
To be honest, I'm not exactly certain what this "westernization" is; I haven't really seen it at all.

Afro Samurai is adapted from a manga, and animated by a Japanese studio. Just because a famous actor is voicing the central character in the English dub, and the project was funded by a US company, I still wouldn't think it an example of "westernization".
 
CitizenGeek said:
To be honest, I'm not exactly certain what this "westernization" is; I haven't really seen it at all.

Afro Samurai is adapted from a manga, and animated by a Japanese studio. Just because a famous actor is voicing the central character in the English dub, and the project was funded by a US company, I still wouldn't think it an example of "westernization".

I dont think thats what westernization is, is it?

I thought it was where other countries make a cartoon that uses references from anime related series (e.g. the animation style, cultural, things like that).
 
CitizenGeek said:
Afro Samurai is adapted from a manga, and animated by a Japanese studio. Just because a famous actor is voicing the central character in the English dub, and the project was funded by a US company, I still wouldn't think it an example of "westernization".
The OST was constructed by a man of African-American origin which includes many Western cultural influences, I'm pretty sure that the only non-Western influenced thing in Afro Samurai is the uber high quality Japanese animation. >_>
 
Technically; The way Nick has wrote the title of this thread, It would mean something that WASN'T western, but transformed by some company into something that would be more western. E.g. Rice cakes being changed into cookies and that, right there would be called "westernization". ^__^.
 
Jayme said:
Technically; The way Nick has wrote the title of this thread, It would mean something that WASN'T western, but transformed by some company into something that would be more western. E.g. Rice cakes being changed into cookies and that, right there would be called "westernization". ^__^.
Not really....westernisation is the idea of western values and culture becoming embedded in non-western nations...stuff like music, fashion, technology, subcultures, etc.

US cartoons being heavily influenced by Japan is the opposite to that...so not really westernisation...

Stuff like Radiohead being used as themes for TV shows, and Pizza Hut being jammed in as product placement are better examples of it.
 
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