Biggest anime disappointment(s)? (spoilers alert)

Aion

Time-Traveller
There are two that stick in my mind.

#1: Naruto: Shippuuden

Like many Narutards, I got into the anime when I was green and someone told me on MSN how awesome it was. Word of mouth/finger is a powerful thing. (FYI, the guy in question was an American version of Lupus in terms of persoanlity; a guy who informed me he found tissue when... 'eating out' with his girlfriend.)

Anyway. I loved it. Shounen titles are attacked for being childish and simplistic but, of the three main characters, one had his entire clan - mom and dad included - killed before his eyes by his brother; the other had to deal with being despised his whole life and isolated and the final, female member of the team had more normal female teen issues, mixed with feelings of inferiority. So, while it is a simple shounen, its excellent character development and generally likeable characters made it easy for me to get into.

Eventually, following the epic VotE showdown between Naruto and Sasuke, the fillers started. These fillers lasted for around 100 episodes, going on for something like 1.5-2 years. I refused to read the manga during this period because I was anime onry. I tried watching the fillers from time to time but, sometime after the Tony the Tiger arc, I stopped. I started again once Shippuuden was announced.

If you were into Naruto then, you would've watched the first ten minutes, with movie quality art and animation, and fapped for an hour. And even after seeing the rest of the animation quality wasn't anywhere near as high, you - if you were a true Narutard - would've continued fapping. But, a few episodes with poor art and mostly non-existent animation that covered ONE chapter per episode (some less) later, the fapping stopped and the hating started. Seeing how SP were destroying something I still had love for - even after nearly two years of waiting - pissed me off. A lot. The worst thing about watching it was knowing there had been two years of fillers to allow the manga content to get animated... and yet, despite the anime having over 100+ chapters to animate and a new chapter getting released every week, SP refused to go full canon. It was as if their intention was to piss people off as much as possible while milking the cow to the max.

To be fair to SP, the manga goes downhill in the second half. I've even gone on record saying I rate the first half 9/10 and the second half 6-7/10 - I put the manga on hold some 50+ chapters ago. But the second half started in epic fashion, with two Atasuki members (the elite of Naruto and thebaddies) heading towards Gaara and they STILL ****** it up with a slow-motion, fillerised battle. While it had no chance of being as good as the first Naruto series, if handled right the second anme still could've been highly entertaining... but SP ****** it up so badly that I couldn't get any enjoyment out of it whatsoever. In the end, I dropped it after 17 episodes.

#2: Code Geass R2

Code Geass; the answer to the aftermath of Death Note. All of the plot twists and epicness of DN, mixed with some of the most fap worthy female characters ever created, robots and an alternate universe where Britain... err, I mean 'The Holy Empire of Britannia' rules the world with an iron fist. I went into it thinking it'd be a mess and came out thinking it's 10/10 worthy.

After seeing the best cliffhanger ending ever, I of course wanted more. Everyone always wants more. So, like a proper Narutard, I kept checking NarutoFAN - a very active forum - to see when the sequel would be released. It was always a few months away. But, eventually, the happy day (early morning, actually, but whatever) came when I could finally watch the first episode of S2, in HD as an added bonus. Happy days...

...or rather, it would've been happy days if Sunrise hadn't run out of ideas by this point. They started off by rebooting the story, going down a memory loss path. They also copied the first few episodes of S1, having the first episode end the same way as the first episode of S1 AND having the second episode focus on Lelouch's tactics get ****** up by an ace mecha pilot owning everything. Despite the repetition, I was fine with this - S1 started excellent - and I remained positive. However, my optimism soon vanished.

In S1, what lead up to plot twists was shown. This pleased me; it showed they hadn't pulled twists out of their arses without thinking first. In S2, Lelouch teleported to school, changing into his gym clothes and appearing before a 'teacher' when only minutes before he had been trapped within the Chinese embassy. He also *somehow* swapped places with CC without anyone noticing.

In S1, tactics played a big part in battles. While there were super mechas and ace pilots, it was possible for tactics to win over brawn, and Lelouch often did. But this was all forgotten in S2 when it was revealed that the old, non-ace pilot mechas could no longer even damage the super mechas; not even with weapons. Also, in the episode that revealed this, Kallen was saved from falling to her death in her mecha by a submarine appearing directly below her and shooting upgrade parts at her. CG became friggin' Gundam, losing all the tactical warfare of S1. Hell, Suzaku even beat Europe on his own, in one mecha, and I'm not even joking.

In S1, fan service only appeared in a few spots, ignoring the large size of breasts. In S2, an entire episode was dedicated to it, with a 'teacher' wearing a very thin (non-existent, basically) swimsuit. I'm all for the odd fun episode, but episodes like the one I'm referring to were put in solely to sell the anime to perverts. Overall, there was a huge increase in fan service over S1, and I can only assume they increased the amount because S1 didn't sell as well as was planned.

And, finally, at the end of S1, Suzaku made it clear he wanted revenge against Zero - he was going to kill him. In the continuation of this scene in S2, Suzaku did an infamous spinkick to disarm Zero and, instead of going through with killing him, he took him to the other side of the ******* planet as his prisoner and used him as a bargaining chip to attain greater power. Way to continue the story by ******** all over the character development of S1, Sunrise. I won't even go into Kallen abandoning her leader during the key stages of a battle to take over Japan in order to use the country as a staging point in the war against 'The Holy Empire of Britannia'.

Code Geass R2 pissed me off so much that, because of my negativity, people assumed I was trolling when I posted about it. I could go on forever about the first eight episodes I watched before stopping to keep my sanity. God knows how I'd be if I watched all of it.
 
I've never been fond of how NARUTO's anime adaptation has been directed--as I've felt it to be protracted and largely quite dull stylistically when contrasted with something like Rurouni Kenshin, which would take liberties with the manga but strengthen its offering as a result--but I empathise with your sentiments with regards to the second half, specifically.

Regarding my own choices, I'll cite the Greed Island segment of HunterxHunter--though I do so because I believe so strongly that the TV series and first OVA were so excellently executed. G.I. dropped a lot of the finesse and stylistic maturity of earlier segments--perhaps due to a change in directors--and made the package considerably more mundane as a result. A poorer musical score exacerbated these changes.

I also lament that GANTZ won't have its manga storyline animated...which is something I'm somewhat upset over.

I suppose I could say the same for Groove Adventure Rave--but I felt that its adaptation was dry, anyway, so I wouldn't want to see more of the same.
 
Shaman King ending as it doesn't end at all. It simply jumps into the future and where the characters says "Yeah, it was an epic fight" - The end.

Yu Yu Hakusho similar reason as above. Althought in here at least the main fights happened.

Twelve kingdoms even though it's my favourite anime, it leaves one story arc unfinished.

I guess that by now you can see where I'm heading.
 
I couldn't agree more with Code Geass R2. The ending was still brilliant but it was only just worth sitting through the controrted (is that a word?) plotline the writers used to get there.
 
I waited four years to watch Trigun after all the hype and anticipation which I heard years on end, eventually I got the chance to watch it, never been so disappointed with the final result of a series as much as I have Trigun, although it wasn't bad, just wasn't what I was expecting from all the comments.
 
Witch Hunter Robin
A series with real promise, good story and characters let down by a criminally poor ending. Its like they put loads of great ideas into the series then just gave up!
 
Uppa said:
I've never been fond of how NARUTO's anime adaptation has been directed--as I've felt it to be protracted and largely quite dull stylistically when contrasted with something like Rurouni Kenshin, which would take liberties with the manga but strengthen its offering as a result--but I empathise with your sentiments with regards to the second half, specifically.

I love the manga and the anime follows the manga VERY closely until the filler hell. The lack of awful SP 'original content' attempts pleased me. SP are one of the worst studios in existence, so it was best for everyone that they copied as much as possible and the 'creative minds' at SP thought as little as possible. Anyway, there aren't many examples of studios "taking liberties" and pleasing fans, FMA being the only anime that springs to mind.

But, having said the above, there is one fairly awesome SP addition: Lee avoiding getting stabbed while drunk in slapstick fashion. Afterwards, he got up, the manga content kicked in, and they had a short martial arts contest that actually flowed well because of very good animation. The 'Drunk Lee' thing is one of the best moments in Naruto.

Visually, Naruto is very plain, and the art/animation are both average at best - even back when Naruto was airing that was true. Even in the best episode - 133 - the flowing animation came at the cost of the art; Naruto and Sasuke looking like nine year olds. Bleach always had better animation and was more consistent back in the day. But, at that point, I didn't care - I was so immersed in the story that the visuals never irked me.

The sad thing is, Shippuuden is even less consistent in terms of art and has even more limited animation because of its snail pacing. Where as fights flowed like in the manga - even if they weren't impressive to look at - in the first anime, in Shippuuden people just stared at each other for ten minutes. It was painful to watch.

Out of interest, what was so special about the execution of the Kenshin anime? The only good part I remember - both in terms of visuals (excellent colour choices and all) and content - is the Kenshin vs. Saito fight. Everything else was average.
 
Evangelion 1.0 - It was just the first 6 episodes of evangelion but prettier. It just felt like a huge missed opportunity to do something really spectatular and different with the series.

Tenjou Tenge - I loved this one right up until the past episodes then i just stopped watching. Turned a funny, sexy, action packed series into a complete dullfest.

Hellsing - Speak to chaos :evil:
 
Aion said:
I love the manga and the anime follows the manga VERY closely until the filler hell. The lack of awful SP 'original content' attempts pleased me. SP are one of the worst studios in existence, so it was best for everyone that they copied as much as possible and the 'creative minds' at SP thought as little as possible. Anyway, there aren't many examples of studios "taking liberties" and pleasing fans, FMA being the only anime that springs to mind.

The sad thing is, Shippuuden is even less consistent in terms of art and has even more limited animation because of its snail pacing. Where as fights flowed like in the manga - even if they weren't impressive to look at - in the first anime, in Shippuuden people just stared at each other for ten minutes. It was painful to watch.

Out of interest, what was so special about the execution of the Kenshin anime? The only good part I remember - both in terms of visuals (excellent colour choices and all) and content - is the Kenshin vs. Saito fight. Everything else was average.

Pierrot wasn't all that bad, back in the day. Yu Yu Hakusho, for example, is able to impress with the strength of its animation; were it not for its strengths in this domain, I would argue it very difficult to appreciate the series, as it is--unashamedly, and by and large--a series of fights, one after the other. The director did well to remove earlier portions of the manga, in my opinion; he distilled the essence of the series into a more cohesive package. His work on BLEACH, I find, is similarly admirable in the Soul Society in that he condensed a chunky expanse of the manga into what I perceive as a neat number of episodes. I admire his stylistic work for the first part of the series, too--the bloom lighting being an example. (I haven't read the manga, so I can't fairly make comparisons in this series.)

I do differ from the majority opinion, however--as I really do like directors putting their own spin on a series. I adore HunterxHunter's anime adaptation, and I would thoroughly attest that it is a spectacular rendition of the manga--one that eclipses its source material. I felt NARUTO to be so rigidly adherent to the manga that it became protracted and comparatively dull--there were many silent scenes which served solely to eat up time, rather than forward any dramatic sentiment: this is a feeling that I received when I contrasted NARUTO with HunterxHunter--which I felt made scenes such as Gon suffering in the forest, bereft of any dialogue or plot, such a powerful and affecting exhibition. I again stress that I share your beliefs with regards to Shippuuden entirely--I do, however, feel that a more skilled director could make something more of the source material, and do so successfully.

Concerning Rurouni Kenshin, there was very little of what I perceived to be wastage--and, from memory, movement was always sought to be inputted. When it needed to, it made a lot out of very little--something I feel is stylistically difficult to accomplish. NARUTO features such an arrary of static scenes--there's a tangible sense that the studio doesn't want the characters to move any more than the bare minimum requires. This reality, I felt, is worsened when artists such as Matsumoto contribute something so fluid. Pair this lack of movement with a tiresome and dreary musical score (a problem that Yu Yu Hakusho suffered from, too) and the series becomes difficult to appreciate. R.K.'s use of musical cues, I felt, was central to its success--like when Sojiro became aware of the truth behind his feelings, or even the comic incongruity of the electric guitar playing in the Kenshin vs. Saito fight. It seems abstract and a little absurd--but it's an effective venture.

I lambaste NARUTO more than I wish to--but part of the reason for that is that I would like to see something novel injected into the series by a skilled director. Though there is no getting around the fact that the present director is constrained by myriad deficiencies.
 
my biggest dissapointment is the fact that Love Hina didn't get the ending it deserved (seriously, it's as if it died halfway through) it ended approximately where Volume 10 of the Manga kicks off

the fact that Rurouni Kenshin also has the same dilemma irritates me as well
 
The second series of Gunslinger Girl - The first is among anime's finest. The animation and artistry was superb, while the direction was sharp and exciting, delivering a simple but moving story. I was boiling over with anticipation for it's sequel, but right from the first episode the difference in quality was blatantly obvious. The story still hits some of the right notes on occasion, but the more generic stylings of the art and character design, the clunky animation and the clumsy direction drag it down a long, long way.

Certainly one of the biggest disappointments for me in recent memory.
 
Fullmetal alchemist the movie: conqueror of shambala

Dont get me wrong, I love the film, Its one of the best anime films ive seen, however the ending seemed....well...Harsh

It felt as if all the hardship the Elrics went through was for nothing.

Edward was like:
"We cant go back to them. Thats the way it is! GET OVER IT!"

But it was a really great film though.
 
sanji no 1 said:
Fullmetal alchemist the movie: conqueror of shambala

Dont get me wrong, I love the film, Its one of the best anime films ive seen, however the ending seemed....well...Harsh

It felt as if all the hardship the Elrics went through was for nothing.

Edward was like:
"We cant go back to them. Thats the way it is! GET OVER IT!"

But it was a really great film though.

But in the end Ed and Al are together, in the same world o_O
 
Sanji was referring to their friends and near-enough-family; not the duo themselves.

The guy may be a bit of an idiot but he does have a point; the ending is very poor. Edward left Winry alone; his childhood sweetheart - that isn't what I consider a good ending. Even in the manga (what I've read, anyway), where there seemed to be no romance in the air at first, it seems likely that Ed and Winry will get together at some point.

The film was a good watch but failed to add closure to the TV series, which I assumed was the point of the movie going into it. Original content failure. Really, they should have left it with the TV series, leaving it open.
 
Well, yes, to be honest you are. I was trying to soften the blow with the "bit of an" part. Even I can be a nice guy.

I, on the other hand, am something of a genius . But I'm the exception rather than the rule; there are a lot more anime fans like you than there are like me around. Not everyone can truly appreciate Death Note.

U: Sorry for not replying to your message yet. I was tempted to reply with "...No, whatever you're saying, you're wrong!" but I decided upon confessing to being a lazy sod instead. I'll *probably* reply later.
 
Aion said:
Sanji was referring to their friends and near-enough-family; not the duo themselves.

The guy may be a bit of an idiot but he does have a point; the ending is very poor. Edward left Winry alone; his childhood sweetheart - that isn't what I consider a good ending. Even in the manga (what I've read, anyway), where there seemed to be no romance in the air at first, it seems likely that Ed and Winry will get together at some point.

The film was a good watch but failed to add closure to the TV series, which I assumed was the point of the movie going into it. Original content failure. Really, they should have left it with the TV series, leaving it open.

I'll probably have to agree on this, I just though it sounded like Sanji said at the end they're back to sqaure one. The best part of the movie was the Wrath vs Gluttony fight IMO and even that was short lived.
 
fine
If im an idiot, your a prick

and I was being nice because i could of called you something worse

Also its funny because your saying this behind a computer screen but in person you wouldnt say a damn thing.

So dont talk if you dont have anything good to say

So make like a tree and beat it! Go and watch your Death Note you neek!
 
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