Currency vs Brexit: GBP Losses

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I said "there's a huge list of reasons some voted for Brexit". Poorly worded on my part but I meant not everyone who voted Leave was a racist or suckered by the bus. It's actually my default position to hear people out but this situation has devoured the country in so much crazy that I'm more defensive than usual. National papers calling folks like me dirty traitors who deserve prison, deportation or death while government refuses to condemn these calls will do that.

Corbyn is a sore spot as well. I think the man is a tool and his cult constantly screaming that if you don't back him you're not a real liberal is nauseating. His election manifesto is a ton of promises for greater aid...and a call to remove us from the single market/pursue Brexit, so no idea where the money for further aid will come from when we're looking to lose billions.
 
I'm not getting off on anything. There's a huge list of stupid reasons that some voted for Brexit, with racism part of that. That jobs are now leaving areas that got biggest Brexit vote is at the very least some form of karma.

I actually believe there was room for mature debate on the pros and cons of EU membership. But we didn't get that. The face of austerity half heartedly tried to convince the country EU weren't the slave masters politicians had scapegoated them as for years and those after his job promised the EU would kiss our feet if we said we're leaving.

So after months of twats telling me this fiction is true and ignoring things like at least two murders directly caused by this shambles, my sympathy only goes so far.
There's equally as stupid as reasons why people voted remain take this girl for example
as for the murders I think that's far more complicated than simply blame brexit for every bad thing that happens that's just illogical and irrational.
 
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Well can't we all be happy the pound is steadily gaining?

At least that's something...

That or we should let the dolphins have a go at premiere planetary lifeform, as we humans suck badly. The amount of confirmation and pattern bias upsets my delicate and somewhat drunk stomach
 
That or we should let the dolphins have a go at premiere planetary lifeform, as we humans suck badly.
Dolphins don't be absurd if any animals going to surpass humans premiere planetary lifeform it's going to be the conniving Octopus, with their power to predict the future and ruthless nature they'd easily overthrow the human race. Just look at this video and tell me this isn't the most frightening thing you've ever seen in your life
 
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The UK is the EU's number one export market and the City of London is the EU's bankers.

'So if the EU hurts the UK economy it will damage the EU - Wolfgang Schauble German finance minister
 
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YouGov is Tory owned.
 
I think I'd be more concerned about answering those kind of questions honestly because I might get put on a watchlist (especially with Theresa "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" May in control) than that the Tories might use the answers as an excuse to go full fascist dictatorship. Not that I'd have anything bad to say about people of other races, I don't really know how anyone can answer such generalised questions. Odds are there'll be someone belonging to every race who I like and someone belonging to every race who I hate, same goes for genders and nationalities. Nobody deserves to be treated badly (or well) based on arbitrary factors of birth. That's on them and how they behave towards me. I could go for a benevolent dictatorship though.

YouGov still give me £50 every so often so I'll keep on taking the surveys, but whenever it's anything like "how do you feel about certain supermarkets/brands/corporations" I always just say I strongly dislike them all and grab the points. It's usually the truth.
 
YouGov is Tory owned.

I'm failing to see the connection here. Given the current media climate these are legitimate questions to be researched. It doesn't make any sense to be upset because you probably won't like the answer. I don't see what YouGov are doing wrong or the direct Brexit connection.

Also, YouGov is publicly traded. It's not owned by any particular ideology, except in so much as certain ideologies are predisposed to purchasing shares.
 
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Besides, most of the time YouGov are just asking the questions that whoever paid them to do the research wants them to ask. It's not their fault if their customers are requesting them to ask stupid questions.
 
Catching up with the latest in this thread.
There's equally as stupid as reasons why people voted remain take this girl for example
Holy christ, she was mind-numbing. My highlight was (at 30sec):

Think about our food: it's European. Everything is European, and we're gonna stop that trade, and we're gonna just... screw up the young youth of our generation

And just think: these people ARE ALLOWED TO VOTE. :p
 
My concern is normalising what should be red flags. In a functioning democracy, even dark questions should be explored. But with the way our government is right now, it worries me a lot.

Fascism doesn't roll into the town centre in a tank, it starts off subtle.
 
If your looking for fascism you should take a look at Sweden
the state/medie deliberately lying to people even though there's evidence proving otherwise if that isn't a red flag I don't know what is
 
When the reporter went to Malmo and nothing happened swedish media and politicians praised him but when the police advised him to leave and escorted him out of a no go zone in Rinkeby they turned on him and said that he's a threat to Sweden's democracy. He has the whole incident on video you can literally watch it on YouTube but the police are denying it happened and the media are calling him a liar they also miss translated a interview he did on swedish tv.
 
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He also interviewed a psychiatrists and the psychiatrist asked for his face to be blurred for fear of losing his job and being ostracized buy society.
 
Fascism used to be associated with the far right but these day it the far left that has more in common with it just look at what's happening in Berkeley there literally using violence to shut down conservative speaker's there physically harming other human beings for the crime of having a different opinion to them.
 
My concern is normalising what should be red flags. In a functioning democracy, even dark questions should be explored. But with the way our government is right now, it worries me a lot.

Fascism doesn't roll into the town centre in a tank, it starts off subtle.

It's a question on a survey, it normalises nothing, and whilst you prattle on about crap like this, you make it easier for them to dismiss actual complaints.

If your looking for fascism you should take a look at Sweden the state/medie deliberately lying to people even though there's evidence proving otherwise if that isn't a red flag I don't know what is

What the bloody hell does Sweeden have to do with anything? That is an irrelevant strawman.
 
Let's not just gloss over the fact there are plenty of far-right organisations whose language towards people of other races and nationalities is particularly hateful and discriminatory. Stopping (just) short of condoning violence against them doesn't make their opinions any less horrifying. If they actually gained the power to enforce laws that discriminated against people on grounds of race and was able to enact measures they want like forced deportations and what have you, that would be quite concerning, would it not?

If I've learned anything in my travels through various political viewpoints, one thing I have come to understand is that in most societies the state does hold the monopoly on violence - They're the only ones who are legally allowed to use violence against people and those people don't have the right to fight back. We see it everywhere, whether that's totalitarian states like North Korea, authoritarian states like Russia, or western "liberal democracies" like the US and UK. If there does become a risk the could fall into the hands of people who are happy to use that violence in a discriminatory manner then perhaps it's a bit easier to see why people feel they need to use violence to prevent that. I mean, were the participants in the Battle of Cable Street wrong for standing up to the BUF? What if they hadn't? The real reason the Americans have the right to bear arms is to allow them to ensure their country remains "a free state" by force of arms if necessary. In most of Europe we have no such option, as the weapons are almost entirely in the hands of the police and armed forces. Once the state is in the hands of people who want to do terrible things to a certain section of the populace, there's no-one to stop them.

I don't think ignoring or glossing over problems with immigration and integration is helpful to anyone, and is ultimately much more likely to foster animosity between communities than open and honest dialogue is. I do think some European leaders are guilty of this, but I think they are still very aware of the fact that fascism was actually able to gain power in some of their countries, and with WWII it certainly affected them all. They're scared of even talking about these things in case they find themselves branded a fascist and made a pariah. To steer this back somewhat to the topic of the EU, for a lot of mainland Europe a major reason for wanting to establish a union was to prevent conflict on the continent again, but they concentrated on preventing conflict between countries and largely ignored the possibility for internal conflicts to develop between their people in say, the way they did in former Yugoslavia. I think our leaders do need to be brave enough to address this risk, and they need to do it soon.
 
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